This area is for comments and questions. It is moderated by the leadership of the Missouri Bluebird Society and is open for you to get answers to your Bluebird related questions.
This area is for comments and questions. It is moderated by the leadership of the Missouri Bluebird Society and is open for you to get answers to your Bluebird related questions.
Good morning! We moved into a new house last Spring. We have been feed several bluebirds all winter. Now it’s down to just a pair. They are showing interest in our new bluebird house. Then the sparrows arrived! 🙁 I put up a sparrow spooker and the sparrows seem to have gone. But the bluebirds are not going to the box like they did. Is the spooker spooking the bluebirds? Should I take it down?
I am looking to order additional Missouri Bluebird
Society Please Do Not Disturb Plaques for our local bluebird boxes. Can you help?
Hi Ellen- YES, we can help!
Please email me directly at steve@birds-i-view.biz and I will get you an order form with pricing and shipping info.
Thanks,
Steve Garr, MOBS president
573-638-2473
We have had several successful years of watching bluebirds in our nesting box lbuikd a nest, lay eggs & watch the young fledge.
This year has been unusual. After the 1st brood left the nest, we saw them return for nearly 2 weeks to be fed. The young would perch and wait for the male to feed them. Sometimes the female would chase them away.
I checked the box & cleaned out the old nest. The male started bringing nesting materials to the box. I left for a week. When I returned, I checked progress. There are 5 eggs in the box but no nest. The adults keep going back to nest box. Any idea of what’s going on?
If the sparrows are gone, remove the spooker. The best bluebird box is the Gilbertson. That’s all I use anymore. Sparrows don’t like it’s construction. But I add an additional protection by hanging two metal washers on fishing line about 2-3″ in front of the hole. Make sure the fishing line is at least as far apart as the width of the hole. Bluebirds will fly between the two lines but sparrows don’t like it.
Lorie,
I am quite confident that the nest box material had nothing to do with what happened to the adult bluebird inside this box. There is so much here that can only be speculation. Generally a dead adult in a box is when they are defending the box/nest against House sparrows or even another native bird (but more often a house sparrow). Also, we have to remember that the birds do not live forever and sometimes we just find a dead one.
Usually, but not always, when a bird has died in defense of a nest box there are fairly obvious injuries to the back of the head or the eyes. Parasites can result in death, more often to nestlings, but sometimes to weaker adults.
Of course I am sure you have removed the dead bird, but if you do not see a female obviously active at the nest I would also remove the nesting material. This may have been a situation where two males competed, one lost, and the female will continue to nest here with the other male—so if she is actively at the nest box, I would leave the nesting material , unless it shows signs of parasites.
Hope this helps Lorie. There is just a lot of speculation involved to have any real definitive answers! Steve Garr
After4 years of sucessful bluebird seasons,I replaced a wooden box with a composit box. Bluebirds built a nest. I checked it today and a male is sitting on the nest dead. No apparent injury. Any ideas on what happened?
question:?i have nesting bluebirds. Noticed some damage on 2 of the eggs.?Should we remove the damaged eggs?
Lorie, wondering how close the eggs are to hatching? If they are not due to hatch for several days, and the eggs are obviously cracked or broken – then yes remove them (most easily accomplished with a spoon and not by picking them up with your fingers). If the eggs just appear dirty, discolored, or mis-shaped, then do not remove them. Then, if they don’t hatch with in a couple of days after the rest of the clutch hatches, you will want to remove those eggs. Broken or unhatched eggs can attract unwanted insects and predators.
Lorie— I just noticed you posted this in April. I received the notice just late last night, May 11th, so sorry for the delay! I posted the reply just now. Steve
addition to previous. Her feathers and appearance looks like a grown bird with much lighter blue back.
New problem. Box has been up awhile and a pair of bb have evidently claimed it as they chased a squirrel away that was in the vicinity this morning. She is now going crazy coming to the house and attacking the windows and the windows of a pickup that is parked a distance away. What to do?
I have had the same problem, especially this year. (?) The female keeps flying into our sunroom windows. I tried closing the shades to see if that would help…maybe some. She got better once she started nesting. Never recall this happening before. They are very territorial and I assumed they thought it was other bluebirds trying to move in. The male would “attack” the window sometimes too.
Janis, As I am sure you know, the Bluebird is being protective of its territory against the “other” Bluebird it is seeing in the reflection of the windows. This is something that the male and female both do and it can be more difficult to solve than when a bird sees a reflection that it thinks it can just fly through (not being protective). Usually breaking up the reflection is the first step. On car MIRRORS we can put a bag over them or cover them another way. On windows it is more difficult, again because your bird is seeking out the other bird to protect against. The most effective deterrents are placed on the OUTSIDE of the windows, not the inside. Go outside and try to see what the Bluebird is seeing in the windows and where the reflection is best–start there to deter. Sometimes just moving the car can change the lighting enough to help. Turning the nest box to face a different direction and placing a perch area (like an empty shepherds hook) 20-25 feet in front of the entrance hole can sometimes help. Great info and suggestions can be found at http://www.sialis.org. Go to “Problems and Solutions” and then to “Window Strikes”.
Thanks to both you and Phil for such prompt replies. I went out to the pickup while she/it was attacking and she flew to a fence close by; the male (vivid blue back) came and ‘she’ started cheeping and fluttering like a fledgling. Is it possible that what I thought was a male/female pair is a dad and young? I have not observed him feeding ‘her’ and he seems to be trying to entice her to the house by sitting on top and singing & going in and out of it. She has gone and looked in many times and has also entered but doesn’t stay inside long. She seems to be following him when and wherever he flies like a fledgling would.
Janis- this is very typical courtship behavior. Congrats! Seems you have a happy Bluebird pair.
Thank you Phil for the detailed info.
I’m located in the Kansas City, MO area, should I put the nestbox back up since I haven’t seen any bluebirds since the sparrows chased them off?
Thanks.
Yes. I would put it back up ASAP but you are going to have to use the washer sparrow deterrents for sure. I highly the Gilbertson bluebird box. I live in St. Joseph.
Phil
I’m interested in what the ‘hanging washer’ concept indicated by Phil Yust is. I put a nestbox up for the 1st time in March, had a pair of bluebirds inspecting it but a sparrow kept chasing them away. Removed sparrow nest makings 3 times and had not seen bluebirds for over a week so took the nestbox down. Will try again next year but looking for ways to keep sparrows away from the box.
Janis, the Gilbertson box is the most sparrow deterrent. I purchase mine through the Michigan Bluebird Society website. However it is not 100% sparrow proof. This is where the hanging washers come in. You have to have at least a one inch overhang roof. Using fishing line hang the 1.5″ diameter washers in front of the hole, 0.5″ to 1.0″ out from the hole . The fishing line can be hooked to the roof with household thumbtacks or screws. The line should be parallel to the outer edge of the hole and hang down about 4 inches. The bluebirds will fly between the fishing line but the sparrows won’t. One warning, wrens will still fly through it. To get rid of wrens you have to use a bird trap guard over the hole and it does work. I purchase my guards from the Michigan Bluebird Society. Enjoy your bluebirds. Our first pair have arrived and are building their nest.
Bluebird layes eggs about 3-4 days old. I went to check on them and eggs were not there. I moved the nest to check for signs of predictors and noticed the eggs were buried some with straw. I noticed mother was taking straw in the house yesterday. It’s like she has kind of buried the eggs. Any idea why?
You may have another bluebird or bird species moving in. I use only the Gilbertson box which deters sparrows but I still have to use the hanging washers which sparrows won’t fly through.
Hi Kevin,
Usually this is a sign that this is a different female than the one that laid the eggs. Of course it is impossible to know for sure without the bird having been banded…but it is usually the case. It could be for any number of reasons – including that something happened to the original female. It probably would not hurt to take the “buried eggs” out of the box to keep them from rotting and attracting predators. You can lift them out with a spoon to keep from breaking them in the box. Be sure not to throw the eggs away near the box. Do all this quickly so as to not disturb the box too long and let this new female continue to build her nest. Good luck! Steve
I live in St. Joseph and have had bluebirds nesting in our three boxes for the last ten years with great success. But the last two years we have not seen any bluebirds at all in our backyard. Does anyone have any ideas or know why we are not seeing any bluebirds? This has been very disappointing as we would always have 3-4 nestings every year. Nothing has really changed in our backyard to scare them away. Occasionally we will see a hawk in the backyard, otherwise no changes.
HI Phil – I sent you a rather long reply to this post and to your questions a few days ago- but I do not see it visible here…if you did not receive it, please feel free to email me directly at steve@birds-i-view.biz . Steve Garr
When is the Purple Martin tour in Jamesport, MO, at Mr. Ray s property, scheduled this year-2022?
Hi Kristie! Each year for the last several years Ivan Ray Miller’s Open House in Jamesport has been the first Saturday in June…it seems a safe bet it will be again this year, however we do not have OFFICIAL confirmation on that date. We will print the date in the April issue of the MOBS Fledgling + any other info Ivan wants us to include. I hope to see you there!
Sparrows put anything and everything into a nest (kinda like trash) Blue birds use leaves, small twigs, no feathers
How can you tell the difference between a bluebird nest in our sparrow nest? I keep having sparrows trying to invade my bluebird nest
Ron,
When the nest is first being built sometimes it can be hard to tell the House sparrow nest from the Bluebird nest if both species are using grass. If you see the nest is made of pine needles or pine straw it is a pretty safe bet it is a bluebird. Here is a link to a pdf brochure I put together as a Quick Reference Guide to Cavity Nester nests…we will try to get this on the MOBS website as well. be sure to look at both pages: chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/viewer.html?pdfurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.birds-i-view.biz%2Ffiles%2FBIVCavityNesterGuide.pdf&clen=1135727&chunk=true
The sparrows are determined to occupy the houses. The bluebirds come and sit on the roof and the sparrows chase them. I have emptied the houses twice of started sparrow nests and yet they keep coming back. I have not seen bluebirds now for two days. For the past five years I had two houses occupied all summer by bluebirds and their young. I am getting discouraged!
I had bluebirds since end of March.They had babies in the nest last week ,I left for 2 days Came back to feed them and the bluebirds were gone and sparrows moved in . What happened?
Sparrows are predators. They probably killed them and took over the nest. This happened to my bluebirds. Now I guard and chase both sparrows and wrens from occupying the house.
We had four bluebird eggs in our nestbox a couple weeks ago and two of them hatched. I noticed a few days ago, a couple of the hatchlings have died in the recent cold. The other two eggs have not hatched. I removed the two dead birds today but I’m wondering if the other eggs are viable. Should I remove them also or remove the entire nest. The parents are still around but not sitting on the nest.
Hi Dan, Unfortunately those eggs are not viable. I would suggest removing the nest along with the eggs.
Dan, I agree, remove the nest and eggs. This shows the importance of monitoring the box on a regular basis–now you can give the Bluebirds a chance to re-nest and start again in a clean, safe cavity. Good luck with the next nesting, Steve Garr MOBS
We have a blue bird that has been coming to our bird feeder about 7:00 am and staying till dark for the past two days. During this time the bird flys into our sunroom window about every two or three minutes and reruns to the feeder. Have you ever seen this behavior?
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I’m a Kansas Master Naturalist, and we have started monitoring bluebird boxes in Kansas. Several of the trails have been reported to Minnesota BBRP. others have not been reported at all. Do we need to continue to report these to Minnesota or would it be better to report to Missouri since we are neighbors?
Linda, Thank you so much for your interest! Yes, MOBS would love to have your trail /nest box data….we actually do have a few members in Kansas and would love to have more. There is a Summary Form for trail data on this website (Scroll down the right sidebar to the section on “MOBS FORMS”). The report is to be printed out and mailed to the address on the form. (cannot be filled out on line).
I want to make sure you know that, at this time, MOBS nesting data is not entered into Cornell’s “Nest Watch” data. We publish our nesting totals each year in our newsletter. Many of our members DO report to Nest Watch on their own. I do not know if Minnesota BBRP reports their nesting totals to Nest Watch or not, however even if they do not, consideration should be made to either keep reporting your data to them also, for the trails that currently do that, or make certain BBRP knows the situation so they can allow for the gap in reporting in their records (you probably knew that).
Thank you for being so purposeful in your care for our Eastern Bluebirds and other native cavity – nesters!!
Steve Garr, MOBS president
I live in Nevada, MO and have noticed bluebirds around our nest box. We are new to the area and am not sure if they are just exploring or are looking to start nesting. According to what I’ve read it is a little early. Have others noticed bluebirds starting to nest?
Hi Mike,
Most of Missouri is fortunate to be able to enjoy Bluebirds year-round! “Our” bluebirds really don’t migrate –they just shuffle around a bit to better wintering habitat, and sometimes that is only a mile or so from where they nested.
Bluebirds are not territorial during the winter and will frequently roost together inside a nest box (several in the same box!). And on sunny days, even when it is cold, you may see a pair of bluebirds courting and investigating around a nest box. In winter that behavior is usually short-lived and they go back to feeding and roosting in groups together and save the real “pairing up” for the last of February or first of March (and depending on the year they may even wait until late March). We like to have all of our boxes and habitat ready for our bluebirds to nest the end of February –because they have nested that early–however most years they wait until March.
Hope that helps , and enjoy your bluebirds!
Steve Garr
MOBS, president
I just found your website. We are in NW MO; 35 miles east of KC and want to attract bluebirds but don’t have a box; Ijust bought Blue Bird suet bits, and put them in a separate window tray outside our kitchen window that is filled with sunflower seed. We are surrounded by hemlocks in our yard, and old growth hardwood trees that are 15 feet away and go on for miles on our east side. Do we have to have a box on a pole? It’s January 16th 2021. Thanks for your help
I was lucky to get a pair of bluebirds to nest in my box the end of April. Unfortunately, my neighbor found a dead bluebird last week and I have not seen the mate in two days. Yesterday I checked the nest and there are five blue eggs in the nest. Will the other mate return? How long do I wait before I clean the nest?
Mary,
I certainly appreciate your obvious concern for the Bluebirds!
Before you do anything please check to make sure that when you are checking the nest box that it just happens to be when the bluebirds are not around. To check to see if a bird is entering the box, you can place a small blade of grass across the entrance hole. If the grass is still there the next day a bird has not entered the entrance hole. You did not specify which bird was found dead. Was it the male or the female? The female is capable of incubating the eggs without the male. It may depend on how soon the eggs are due to hatch whether or not the female would abandon the nest or not. I have had a female bluebird fledge a clutch of young bluebirds after the male was killed. To ease the burden of her hunting for food alone all of the time I supplemented her diet with mealworms. If it is the female that was found dead the male is unable to incubate the eggs and they probably will not hatch. Just because you are not seeing the mate does not mean that it was one of your nesting pair of bluebirds that was found dead. If you are going to remove the eggs and nest I would give it at least two weeks after the estimated time to hatch. The incubation for Eastern Bluebirds is 14 to 16 days, and the time does not start until the female starts incubating the eggs. Incubation does not always start after the last egg is laid, but that is the day we use to estimate hatch date. Sometimes the best we can do is watch and wait! Good Luck.
We found a dead female bluebird on the ground right below the birdhouse where she had laid 5 eggs. Two weeks later we find a dead male right in the same spot! Could this be other birds doing this? They have nested here for several years with no problems like this.
Becky, we regret that we just received your message today, but hope you will still find this information helpful. In instances like the ones that occurred with your birds, we first check the back of the heads of the bluebirds for any injury. If it appears the back of the head was wounded (ie pecked by a bird), It is likely the culprit was a House Sparrow. The fact that you found the dead birds so close to the nest box is evidence that they were trying to protect their eggs. Of course, there are other predators that could have caused the problem. The good news is, even after such occurrences, generally that nest box can still be a productive box for other bluebirds. You may have to implement some predator control, depending on what caused the problem. Hopefully, you have, or will have new residents in the box soon!
What’s MOBS opinion on the Troyers short, slotted, sparrow-resistant BB house thats in the Troyers Bring Back the Bluebirds book. What are the pros and the cons?
Are there any places in or near St. Louis to regularly observe bluebirds? I’ve been birdwatching for a while and have not seen many.
Hi all, I just have one quick question. I live in Kirksville, are there any other members in this area of Missouri. We have a new Conservation Office that would make a great meting place sometime in the future. Thanks for the info.
LM
Hi Lynn,
Thanks for your post. We have a few MOBS members in your area, but still have lots of room for growth! THANK YOU for thinking of MOBS with regard to meeting places in your area. It takes many members and volunteers to put on one of our Annual Conferences, and the more highly populated areas seem to provide a better base for that for now….however, the place you describe sounds WONDERFUL for a regional meeting of some sort ( perhaps 1/2 a day, or a couple hours?) and may be just what the area needs to grow membership!
The EDUCATIONAL BROCHURE developed by the MOBS Board of Directors and downloadable for this website is a perfect tool for a meeting of that sort. Also- we are developing a power point CD that members can use to give programs on their own in their areas.
Perhaps you could give a program at the new Conservation Office in your area! Email me at : regina@birds-i-view.biz, and I will email you privately if you have more questions.
ALSO–IF OTHER MEMBERS in your area see this post and would like to help with a Bluebird meeting in Kirksville, PLEASE REPLY TO THIS POST!
Thanks,
Regina, MOBS secretary
While out walking I have seen a pair of blue birds on the trail behinde the University of Missouri Sports arean. Is this common for them to be here during the winter?
Veci,
Yes! Bluebirds are year-round residents in most of Missouri. Actually, parts of Missouri get even more Bluebirds in the winter than they have in the summer months, because some “northern” bluebirds do move down to our state in the winter before returning north for breeding season. Nest boxes on poles often make great roosting cavities for our bluebirds in the winter.
Steve Garr
I live in South St. Louis County near Butler Hill and Lemay Ferry Rd.Three to five Bluebirds showed up 2-3 weeks ago and have been using the birdbath in my yard.I’ve put out mealworms but they haven’t seem to have discovered them yet or are not interested.Any suggestions.
We look forward to hosting the 2010 Missouri Bluebird Conference in Jefferson City in September! Until available on this site, please click onto the following website to download a complete CONFERENCE BROCHURE and registration form, as well as a MAP and a Schedule of Events:
http://www.birds-i-view.biz or call 573-638-2473 for more information.
We look forward to seeing you there!
Steve Garr,
Missouri Bluebird Society President
This is a comment & question I guess. Upon visiting the dam area at Branson, Mo this past week, I came upon a BB trail and was very excited, UNTIL I noticed the boxes were mounted on 4X4 wooden posts-very easy for predators to climb. There were Mo. Conservation Department signs on the posts, so I’m not sure if the boxes belonged to the Dept. or just put there by individuals. They were being monitored I’m sure because there were numbers on the boxes. Where might I begin to get this imnproper mounting matter looked into? I’m an avid Bluebirder and have had the same pair of blues for the past 3 summers, with lots of successful fledgings (along with a couple of failures due to ignorance the first year). The boxes look ok to specs for BB boxes, Except for these wooden poles. The trail area itself if very good, lots of open territory, but as this is the Lake of the Ozarks, there are still lots of woods & trees in the general vicinity, with snakes, racconns, etc. And by the way, I agree that the Sialis website is absolutely the best – I read it over and over my first bluebirding year. Thanks for any help.
Carol,
Thank you for your email. I also think that the boxes need to be on metal post with a predator guard. I have known bluebirders that have been very successful mounting nest boxes on wooden post without a baffle. I prefer not to take that chance. Often predators find a nest box after a couple of clutches have fledged because of the odor that is left behind from the droppings. Baffles do work on wooden post but without some type of baffle or predator control on a trail you often end up feeding predators instead of raising bluebirds.
I would rather see less nest boxes with baffles than a lot of nest boxes without baffles.
Thank you for your concern,
Steve Garr
Bluebirder
MOBS President
Steve, I forgot I had inquired about these improper trail boxes in Branson, MO. I guess I was waiting to hear from someone, and did not realize you had responded on this site. Is there any way for the MOBS to follow up with the Mo. Conservation Dept. about this? I believe I had contacted them, but got no response, so thought maybe this State Organization might have more influence.
Hi Claudia,
In most of Missouri Bluebirds will nest an average of three times per season, often beginning in March ( sometimes before, sometimes after.) Really it is best to remove the old nest material after the babies have fledged after EACH nesting, not just at the end of the season. It is safer for the birds if you will do this. If old nest material is not removed, the nests tend to draw parasites and predators, plus the Bluebirds repeatedly build on top of the old nest putting their eggs and babies too close to the entrance hole of the box, and thus in jeopardy of being killed or removed by predators that reach into the box. Even if this years first nest has already started in your nest box you will be able to see the difference between the new and old nest. Remove the old nest material and you are ready for your bluebirds.
Good Luck,
Steve Garr
Missouri Bluebird Society
What is the nesting and breeding season for bluebirds in Missouri? We have several bluebird boxes that should be cleaned out but I don’t want to deprive any bluebirds of their homes!
I have a bluebird box in my back yard and I was told that it should be facing a certain direction and that its a certain height is this true and if it is what would that be? Thanks
I got a bluebird nestbox for my birthday. I live in rural Polk county Missouri. What is the best location and height for this nestbox?
HappyBirthday,
Bluebird boxws make great gifts. The best location
for me is one where you can watch your bluebirds. I like putting the nest box on a metal pole this helps discourage predators, plus if needed you can add a baffle later to stop snakes and raccoons. I like facing the nest box toward a branch or power line 25 to 100 feet away so the male bluebird can watch the entrance hole when the female is on the nest.
Keep in touch,
Steve Garr
When is the best time to put up a bluebird house?
Today is always a good day to put up a nestbox. While it is true that you are not going to get a nesting attempt in Missouri this time of year, bluebirds may start checking it out for next years use and you will be ahead of the game.
Best Wishes,
Jack Dodson